How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

What are the signs of mild autism in a child?

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

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ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Can you name a female actress who has had bad timing or luck in her film career?

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

What did your mother say that made your jaw drop?

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

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How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Have you ever had a bad gut feeling about someone and it was right?

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

How do flat Earthers explain the existence of other spherical planets?

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

What is it like to date a women 20 years younger than yourself?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

How many boxes 600 x 400 x 200 go into a 20ft container?

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

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Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

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The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Why is there a "double standard" applied to sex between a dog and a human? Why is it that to many who are at least mildly okay with bestiality, a WOMAN having sex with a male dog is fine, but a guy with a female dog is not?

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Sain (a barber)

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

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ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Kabir (a weaver)

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

I am like a fish out of water,

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

NOW…

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

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Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

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Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Now here in this verse

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

CONCLUSION:

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

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I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

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How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.